How Introducing The Flash on ‘Arrow’ Mucks Up the Shared DC Universe

by Howie Decker @HowardTheDeck on December 5, 2013

in Nerd Culture

I know, The CW didn’t introduce us to “The Flash” on last night’s episode of Arrow titled The Scientist, but it did introduce us to Barry Allen, the man that will become the Scarlet Speedster. I’m actually not here to criticize anything about the episode or about Allen’s introduction- I thought Grant Gustin played the part very well, and I’m looking forward to next week’s mid-season finale and the conclusion of his Starling City story arc. Based on this small sample, I think there’s potential for The CW’s stand alone Flash series to be very good, but I’m strictly thinking big picture here.

With yesterday’s news that Wonder Woman had been cast and is now confirmed to appear in Zack Snyder’s ‘Batman vs. Superman’ film, the Man of Steel sequel has hit a critical mass in two ways: 1.) If any more DC superheroes appear in the 2015 film, it should realistically just be packaged as a Justice League picture, and 2.) Snyder has now cast as many Justice Leaguers as he can without tinkering with the albeit tattered fabric of the shared DC live-action universe. The second point is what I want to discuss.

Since the Adrianne Palicki Wonder Woman pilot never made it to air, and since Christopher Nolan made it very clear that he had taken his Batman and gone home after The Dark Knight Rises, Zack Snyder was free to craft a new Bruce Wayne and Diana Prince in his DC universe, with no movie or television continuity landmines to traverse. For example: if Snyder had cast someone to play Green Lantern in the Man of Steel sequel, that move would essentially signal DC’s abandonment of the universe that Green Lantern already appeared in in 2011. As disappointing as that film was, I’m not 100% sure they’re fully committed to doing that yet. Batman and Wonder Woman, on the other hand, were both currently “available”, but introducing The Flash on Arrow changes Barry Allen’s Snyder-verse relationship status to ‘It’s complicated’.

 

Casting the entirety of DC Comics’ “big three” is no small task, when you think about the fact that even Joss Whedon didn’t get to cast his Avengers team. That had already been done for him, and granted, he did fantastic work with the amazing pieces he inherited, but a very strong infrastructure was built before he began steering the ship. Snyder is not only steering DC’s ship, he’s building it as well. Up until now he’s been free to build with whatever tools and parts he desires, but from this point forward DC will have to show their hand with regard to the relationship between Snyder’s universe and their CW universe. Are they the same? Do they run concurrently without intersecting? Or will they directly conflict each other?

Until last night, this wasn’t (and still isn’t) that big of an issue with Stephen Amell’s Green Arrow character, because despite the presence of an archer on The Avengers super-team, most incarnations of the CORE Justice League do not include Oliver Queen. Snyder’s Justice League could co-exist beside The CW’s Arrow, but it cannot avoid such entanglements with The CW’s version of The Flash.

If the Man of Steel sequel is building to the inevitable Justice League team-up film (which it is), The Flash will have to be cast. By that time, The CW’s version of The Flash will be up and running (sorry) and will have created a fan base for a character that has not been portrayed in live action since John Wesley Shipp hung up his boots in 1991. I’d assume the goal is for that show to succeed, but what happens when Snyder casts someone else to play Barry Allen in his DC universe? Doesn’t that cut The CW’s Flash’s legs out from under him?

*UPDATE: Flash Reportedly a Lock for Batman vs. Superman (ugh.)

The same issue arose in 2006 when Brandon Routh was cast as Superman, a character than Tom Welling had been playing for 5 years, and would play for 5 more after that. The difference was, Welling was playing a younger version of the character, one that clearly existed in a different universe, and fans were able to reconcile this coupled with the clear indication that Routh’s Superman was based on Christopher Reeve’s portrayal and continuity.

Grant Gustin is a perfect Barry Allen for The CW, but he’s not a Snyder-verse Barry Allen. The Snyder-verse Barry Allen will have to interact with a 41 year-old Batman, a Batman who at one critical point in Batman-Flash comic book history said that “Barry [Allen] is the kind of man that I would’ve hoped to become if my parents hadn’t been murdered.” Would a grizzled, 40 year-old Batman say that about a 23 year old kid? I’m not implying that this exact quote has to reflect their movie character’s relationship, but I’d prefer the eventual Justice League movie’s version of Batman and The Flash not have a Live Free or Die Hard thing going on. The “mentor and the newbie” thing can definitely work, but they’d have to meet in the middle somewhere.

I’d love to see the movie version of The Flash handled in a manner similar to the way Hawkeye was introduced in Marvel’s movie universe. He just sort of showed up, everyone knew who he was, and no one needed 120 minutes of backstory to accept him as a viable supporting character and member of the team. The Flash is a cool character, but is the casual superhero movie fan really ready for things like a Cosmic Treadmill and villains like Captain Cold, Mirror Master and Captain Boomerang? The answer is no, but luckily, to be an entertaining facet of a Justice League film, The Flash doesn’t need all of that. He just needs to be fast and witty (and have a good comedic chemistry with whoever ends up playing Green Lantern).

joe December 5, 2013 at 3:34 pm

Who knows what DC will do, but if Flash is in MoS 2, it’s really only missing GL… I think DC/WB would be stupid to not include Stephen Arnell’s Arrow into the MoS universe as it fits perfectly. But having 2 Barry Allen’s running around (pun intended) is going to be foolish. I mean, imagine if there was a TV show for The Hulk with different actors in a different universe happening at the same time as The Avengers… it would confuse people.

Hopefully DC will be smart and make the connection between the Arrow and Flash CW universe with MoS. Probably, they won’t be smart about this.

Aaron Schulz December 5, 2013 at 7:58 pm

they could have a different flash, not the best way to handle it but they dont have to use barry allen

HowardTheDeck December 8, 2013 at 12:49 pm

true. I’d have been fine with Wally West, but word is he is cast to be in the CW’s Flash series as well, and the Wests will be African American

HowardTheDeck December 8, 2013 at 12:50 pm

“Probably, they won’t be smart about this.” — exactly how I feel

Mike R December 5, 2013 at 10:07 pm

DC can’t keep their comic book universe straight, you think they are going to get their movie universe straight???
If they were smart, they would count Arrow as part of the universe, but maybe make it set 5-8 years before MoS2 continuity. If the next move after MoS2 is Justice League, you can have Amell do a bit where they call him in as back up as Green Arrow is usually a ‘reserve’ member of JL. They could make him look a little more weathered to play up the time difference. Wouldn’t that be a GREAT added bit for us Arrow watchers?
And the time difference would explain an older Flash in the movies than on the spin off TV show.

(And while I like Wally West, and Kyle Rayner/John Stewart/Baz, the cinematic versions of Flash and Green Lantern need to be Barry Allen and Hal Jordan… AND a FIXED Hal Jordan that is less Ryan Reynolds ham acted and more Geoff Johns written…)

HowardTheDeck December 8, 2013 at 12:50 pm

+1 to all of this.

@eclectik December 10, 2013 at 8:02 am

Fact is, the TV universe is better than the movie universe up to this point, and Id rather have all of the heroes on the small screen than the big one because DC doesnt seem to do any movie really well w/o bat ears (And even those are overrated) So far Arrow is the best thing they have going … if only using TV actors in movies wasnt so unheard of … welp.

Doesnt matter, because whatever they do Im going to pay my money to watch

HowardTheDeck December 10, 2013 at 9:52 am

One thing we can count on- it’s won’t be as good as it could be. Even if it actually turns out ok.

travis February 28, 2014 at 7:13 am

( sorry some of my buttons are broke on my laptop that do puncuations like question mark key a few numbers. and my spelling is bad. and this might get pretty long. read or maybe just skim along… ) I hardly coment or give my opinions alot

But I think with the rate DC is going their kind of screwed. from what i heard from all over. they are looking for a batman something about Christian Baile dosent want to play batman. although alot of people thought the Triligy was great ( Christopher Nolan ). and They might get Ben Afleck (I think thats the actor ) if thats true i dont see him as a batman. Anyway my oppinion on the movie and DC .

(I really dont know everything about DC with all the universes. just some small basics)

1. i think its to soon to fight Batman. With out even taking on Lex Luther. (Michael Rosenbaum was great) But for MoS I see Vin Diesel being great. or any other real enemy to Superman.

2. DC Universe ReBoot..
Man of Steal; Keep MoS should been DC’s Iron man in a way. The First installment. of the JL

Batman: make a new movie for a new actor Reinvent the New image.soon after that bring in some bad guy that has not been done yet. then at the end show ALERTS on the batcave and show footage of MoS movie to show Superman. and then have Batman VS Superman.

Green Lantern: with Ryan Renoylds should be a keeper. start the second movie for a filler.

Wonder Women; should of been made back in 2006- 2007 inbetween Batman Begins and Dark Knight) her story be the first women superhero in DC

Flash; maybe refrences of him through out movies.maybe a Mini series to show how he got his power and trained himself to control

3. they are sending in too meny cheracters at once. small thing i read chasting maight have Batman, Superman, Wonder Women (small role), Auqaman (small role), Flash, Cyborg, Maybe Green Lantern (small roll) …

4; thats something that the JL movie should be about them being forced to Join and fight along side each other Like in JL:WAR animated movie. i think would of been a great way to introduce the charectors.

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